Those things take time away from us being informed and sharing - which they want.
Why should I listen to liars??!
The Prime Minister of Australia succinctly said, I paraphrase him:
"it is your body; it is your responsibility; it is your choice".
PEOPLE HAVE TO ASK HARD QUESTIONS BASED ON THEIR OWN EXPERIENCE AND OBSERVATION. Rather than giving me the Karen/Kevin look, or f-bombs, no one had paused to ask me why I did not wear a mask. In NSW, Australia, when the mask mandate was on, if you exercised you did not need to wear one. A man on his bicycle told me to wear one; I told him he did not need one. He gave a wry and pedaled away.
The other side can't just state things and expect to be taken as truths. They have to explain them. It's not about the PM or the elected officials. It's about the people still believing them. Hopefully by just stating the questions some of them might see through.
Why did they choose to believe them and not "us"? I do not expect anybody to believe me. The minimum I expect is to get answers for some questions. Hopefully with more information and COMPLETE information out there, everybody can decide for themselves. Hope this answered the second question.
For Drs Zelenko, Paul Alexander, and others, have asserted: there are an abundance of information available IF only people read them.
Those to chose to be vaccinated for non-job or critical reason, knew or heard of vaccine injuries. Some even saw them with their own eyes as they lined up!
The NSW Premier have now said people to take "personal responsibility". What is greater personal responsibility than those of their own and loved ones' healths?
'Complete' as opposite facts / data ... are known to all.
What can be said about 'personal responsibility' - it was the golden rule before 2020, and it's the only way to get out of the mess. NSW Premier, paradoxically, should be encouraged.
Brilliant article! Thank-you for pointing out questions that need to be asked. In my case, I tend to get triggered and just become angry. Keeping this article in mind, I believe will help out with that problem.
I wrote these two notes to our NSW Health Minister just then then.
Dear Minister
I refer to the quotes of the Premier below [1]:
Mr Perrottet said 26 of the 33 people in the state’s hospitals with COVID-19 were unvaccinated. The state recorded 2501 new cases of the virus today, slightly down on Sunday’s record 2566 cases.
Where is the proof of that claim about those 26 people? What are their details? What about the overall data-set? Why were they not vaccinated? (I dare you to ask me that last question, Minister.)
Why won't New South Wuhan Health release the necessary basic details of each "case", hospitalisation, ICU and death, in particular their vaccination status? Overseas jurisdictions release such details as part of their regular reports. I recall you claimed that NSW Health is "world class".
“The evidence is clear. The numbers do not lie. Getting vaccinated protects you and your family,” he said. “The numbers speak for themselves.”
Is that so? Is that why NSW Health would not release basic data - and won't answer my questions? May I remind the Minister that silence can tantamount to lie, or tacit acknowledgment of a claim. Just ask criminals and naughty children.
“Other places around the world ... are having to close down because they don’t have the vaccination success that we do.”
Really? Have the Premier and Minister heard of Gibraltar, Vermont and other places whose vaccination rates are higher or similar to NSW's? Did I just read the Premier said "The evidence is clear. The numbers do not lie."??
Dear Minister
I refer to the quotes of the Premier below [1]:
Mr Perrottet said 26 of the 33 people in the state’s hospitals with COVID-19 were unvaccinated.
“The evidence is clear. The numbers do not lie. Getting vaccinated protects you and your family,” he said. “The numbers speak for themselves.”
That means 7/33 = 21% of the hospitalised were fully vaccinated. Considering the fully vaxed rate around that time of those people would be ~ 90%. How do you, or the Premier,
claim that the vaccines were/are effective in stopping transmission and infection?
What about the ratio among those "cases", deaths?
If the numbers don't lie, some people did. Who, Minister?
Since I am jobless I can rip into them every day. However, they don't have the game to respond to me. By "they", I include the "experts", pundits and other advocates.
Here is one I wrote to an "expert" Professor Lewin - shame that she is a babe.
Dear Professor Lewin,
With any medication, medical measure or procedure, these three essential requirements must be objectively and properly satisfied:
1. Safety
2. Effectiveness
3. Necessity
Of course, in practice another requirement is cost!
Let's focus on "necessity".
Are you aware that some countries (Sweden, other Nordic countries, Belarus) and some States in USA don't have mask mandates? Are those said jurisdictions care less about their residents than others who do?
Since you cannot answer the last question, it evidently follows that mask mandates are NOT necessary.
How, then, do you reconcile this?
"Sharon Lewin, the Doherty Institute director who advised on the national plan to roll back public health restrictions, has called for large gathering at pubs and nightclubs to cease and a return of mask-wearing indoors."
I think we have heard about "few weeks" before, have we not?
Whatever happened to the much touted Doherty model on the vaccination? I remember something about 70% and 80%.....
One positive externality of rowuhan is that it has corroded the credibility of people and institutions like the Doherty Institute.
Have you reviewed your words in light of the abundant real-life data that we have?
I live in a state with no mask mandate (right now). People, LOTS of people, were having a fit about the mask mandate. The Governor, after a couple of weeks or so, of getting bitched at, dropped the mandate. I live in a more "non-socialist" state. We're a "Red" State. "Blue" States are the most socialist.
Well, that's probably WAY more than you wanted to know about USA weirdness. --- I think about you guys a lot, and pray that it gets better for you. Do you have to stay in one of the concentration camps? I'm very afraid our Federal Government will round us up. Pray back for us, too, ok? Keep on telling them off!
For most States, they have quarantine hotels - real hotels hired by govts to house special guests. Except for some queer govt in the Northern Territory, they have not taken anyone by force to a Q camp.
USA is a special case because its Federal structure and its Constitution. Yes, live a Red if you can. Those Frisky Floridians were fortunate that that Dems did not steal enough at their last elections.
I wouldn't live in a blue state...I don't like the ideas there. However, I will say that some of the "blue states" are only blue because of a few really populous counties negating everyone elses vote. I feel bad for those folks. Most of the US is red, just not as many people in our states.
They're trying hard to dismantle our Constitution.
I guess I did read that people were being housed in hotels there. Sorry. I guess I got confused when I saw pix of something that looked more like barracks.
“[S]ome of the ‘blue states’ are only blue because of a few really populous counties negating everyone elses vote”—you described Oregon to a ‘T’! Most people/counties in Oregon are red/independent, but Portland topples the balance completely. And then everyone outside Oregon thinks of it solely as Portland—an embarrassment to the sane folks who live here ;-)
Who is preventing the debates, us or them? So, why are you asking us instead?
Have you thought about them needing to engage with us instead?!
Any rational thinking person would rather ask those were willing to lose their jobs than be vaxed than asking those who took the jab to keep their jobs!
If the other side doesn't want debates, fine. If they do not want to engage, fine. But they can't avoid the questions. They will to answer, for their own survival.
"How it can be done:..."
Those things take time away from us being informed and sharing - which they want.
Why should I listen to liars??!
The Prime Minister of Australia succinctly said, I paraphrase him:
"it is your body; it is your responsibility; it is your choice".
PEOPLE HAVE TO ASK HARD QUESTIONS BASED ON THEIR OWN EXPERIENCE AND OBSERVATION. Rather than giving me the Karen/Kevin look, or f-bombs, no one had paused to ask me why I did not wear a mask. In NSW, Australia, when the mask mandate was on, if you exercised you did not need to wear one. A man on his bicycle told me to wear one; I told him he did not need one. He gave a wry and pedaled away.
Pensioner outdoors: Wear a mask!
Me: Why?
P: Because it is the law!
Me: You wanna bet?
Wife: Oh, you have an exemption.
Me: Do you want to see it?
Wife: No. We are high risk
Did you say something...?
The other side can't just state things and expect to be taken as truths. They have to explain them. It's not about the PM or the elected officials. It's about the people still believing them. Hopefully by just stating the questions some of them might see through.
"It's about a lot of people still believing them."
Is there any compulsion for people to believe them? Why did they choose to believe them and not "us"?
Did I tell you a pensioner - Desmond - asked me repeatedly why would govts lie to us?
I was literally speechless.
Another man told me our Australian govt cares for us,
Now, YOU please explain those two men to me? :)
Why did they choose to believe them and not "us"? I do not expect anybody to believe me. The minimum I expect is to get answers for some questions. Hopefully with more information and COMPLETE information out there, everybody can decide for themselves. Hope this answered the second question.
Data or information can never be "complete".
For Drs Zelenko, Paul Alexander, and others, have asserted: there are an abundance of information available IF only people read them.
Those to chose to be vaccinated for non-job or critical reason, knew or heard of vaccine injuries. Some even saw them with their own eyes as they lined up!
The NSW Premier have now said people to take "personal responsibility". What is greater personal responsibility than those of their own and loved ones' healths?
'Complete' as opposite facts / data ... are known to all.
What can be said about 'personal responsibility' - it was the golden rule before 2020, and it's the only way to get out of the mess. NSW Premier, paradoxically, should be encouraged.
Beware, the NSW Premier might regard it as his 'personal responsibility' to reimpose restrictions on us. I don't take the prima facie words of liars.
Data and facts are available to all. I even offered to share mine with strangers - and my niece. They all dissed my offer.
Brilliant article! Thank-you for pointing out questions that need to be asked. In my case, I tend to get triggered and just become angry. Keeping this article in mind, I believe will help out with that problem.
We are all the same. If there are articles of 'interest' paste the links here. I'll add the proper questions.
I'll keep that in mind, thank-you for the offer. (I'll first have to learn how to put links here. 😆)
I wrote these two notes to our NSW Health Minister just then then.
Dear Minister
I refer to the quotes of the Premier below [1]:
Mr Perrottet said 26 of the 33 people in the state’s hospitals with COVID-19 were unvaccinated. The state recorded 2501 new cases of the virus today, slightly down on Sunday’s record 2566 cases.
Where is the proof of that claim about those 26 people? What are their details? What about the overall data-set? Why were they not vaccinated? (I dare you to ask me that last question, Minister.)
Why won't New South Wuhan Health release the necessary basic details of each "case", hospitalisation, ICU and death, in particular their vaccination status? Overseas jurisdictions release such details as part of their regular reports. I recall you claimed that NSW Health is "world class".
“The evidence is clear. The numbers do not lie. Getting vaccinated protects you and your family,” he said. “The numbers speak for themselves.”
Is that so? Is that why NSW Health would not release basic data - and won't answer my questions? May I remind the Minister that silence can tantamount to lie, or tacit acknowledgment of a claim. Just ask criminals and naughty children.
“Other places around the world ... are having to close down because they don’t have the vaccination success that we do.”
Really? Have the Premier and Minister heard of Gibraltar, Vermont and other places whose vaccination rates are higher or similar to NSW's? Did I just read the Premier said "The evidence is clear. The numbers do not lie."??
Dear Minister
I refer to the quotes of the Premier below [1]:
Mr Perrottet said 26 of the 33 people in the state’s hospitals with COVID-19 were unvaccinated.
“The evidence is clear. The numbers do not lie. Getting vaccinated protects you and your family,” he said. “The numbers speak for themselves.”
That means 7/33 = 21% of the hospitalised were fully vaccinated. Considering the fully vaxed rate around that time of those people would be ~ 90%. How do you, or the Premier,
claim that the vaccines were/are effective in stopping transmission and infection?
What about the ratio among those "cases", deaths?
If the numbers don't lie, some people did. Who, Minister?
[1] https://www.smh.com.au/national/australia-news-live-health-experts-urge-rethink-on-masks-as-covid-cases-grow-us-braces-for-record-coronavirus-infections-hospitalisations-and-deaths-20211220-p59ivm.html
Get 'em! Don't let 'em go!
Since I am jobless I can rip into them every day. However, they don't have the game to respond to me. By "they", I include the "experts", pundits and other advocates.
Here is one I wrote to an "expert" Professor Lewin - shame that she is a babe.
Dear Professor Lewin,
With any medication, medical measure or procedure, these three essential requirements must be objectively and properly satisfied:
1. Safety
2. Effectiveness
3. Necessity
Of course, in practice another requirement is cost!
Let's focus on "necessity".
Are you aware that some countries (Sweden, other Nordic countries, Belarus) and some States in USA don't have mask mandates? Are those said jurisdictions care less about their residents than others who do?
Since you cannot answer the last question, it evidently follows that mask mandates are NOT necessary.
How, then, do you reconcile this?
"Sharon Lewin, the Doherty Institute director who advised on the national plan to roll back public health restrictions, has called for large gathering at pubs and nightclubs to cease and a return of mask-wearing indoors."
I think we have heard about "few weeks" before, have we not?
Whatever happened to the much touted Doherty model on the vaccination? I remember something about 70% and 80%.....
One positive externality of rowuhan is that it has corroded the credibility of people and institutions like the Doherty Institute.
Have you reviewed your words in light of the abundant real-life data that we have?
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/nsw-records-2501-covid-cases-as-hospitalisations-grow-20211220-p59ivr.html
I live in a state with no mask mandate (right now). People, LOTS of people, were having a fit about the mask mandate. The Governor, after a couple of weeks or so, of getting bitched at, dropped the mandate. I live in a more "non-socialist" state. We're a "Red" State. "Blue" States are the most socialist.
Well, that's probably WAY more than you wanted to know about USA weirdness. --- I think about you guys a lot, and pray that it gets better for you. Do you have to stay in one of the concentration camps? I'm very afraid our Federal Government will round us up. Pray back for us, too, ok? Keep on telling them off!
For most States, they have quarantine hotels - real hotels hired by govts to house special guests. Except for some queer govt in the Northern Territory, they have not taken anyone by force to a Q camp.
USA is a special case because its Federal structure and its Constitution. Yes, live a Red if you can. Those Frisky Floridians were fortunate that that Dems did not steal enough at their last elections.
I wouldn't live in a blue state...I don't like the ideas there. However, I will say that some of the "blue states" are only blue because of a few really populous counties negating everyone elses vote. I feel bad for those folks. Most of the US is red, just not as many people in our states.
They're trying hard to dismantle our Constitution.
I guess I did read that people were being housed in hotels there. Sorry. I guess I got confused when I saw pix of something that looked more like barracks.
“[S]ome of the ‘blue states’ are only blue because of a few really populous counties negating everyone elses vote”—you described Oregon to a ‘T’! Most people/counties in Oregon are red/independent, but Portland topples the balance completely. And then everyone outside Oregon thinks of it solely as Portland—an embarrassment to the sane folks who live here ;-)
That does not matter; Dominion easily remedies any blue deficits.
btw, only the Red people are Americans; plus a few "legacy" blues, like Manchin and that blonde who is a bi-batter from Arizona.
Who is preventing the debates, us or them? So, why are you asking us instead?
Have you thought about them needing to engage with us instead?!
Any rational thinking person would rather ask those were willing to lose their jobs than be vaxed than asking those who took the jab to keep their jobs!
If the other side doesn't want debates, fine. If they do not want to engage, fine. But they can't avoid the questions. They will to answer, for their own survival.
"They will to answer, for their own survival." Because of the massive numbers, it is about OUR survival.
Funny, true and sad, all at the same time. We have to keep asking questions.
I still look at these numbers in bewilderment!
https://twitter.com/NSWHealth/status/1472688240494710784
TMI. All those numbers make my head hurt. But, yeah, 90 some % vaxxed, but everyone in the hospital is unvaxxed, is a huge lie.